tv The Last Word MSNBC November 8, 2011 1:00am-2:00am EST
according to the american ferret association they can get fleas, ticks and mites but ferrets do not get lice, j. edgar, and thank you to the american ferret association for so which is worse for a republican candidate for president? being accused of sexually harassing women, or being named mitt romney? >> a fourth woman has just come forward. >> mr. cain had been sexually inappropriate to me. >> accusing mr. cain of sexual harassment. >> put his hand on my leg. >> his idea of a stimulus package. >> when you see gloria allred stepping forward to represent someone, you know it's about to get bad. >> i'm here today with my client, sharon bialek. >> let me play the sound from
sharon bialek, she's this latest woman. >> that amazing tape from a new herman cain accuser. >> put his hand on my leg, under my skirt. >> nbc news has not independently confirmed these new allegations. >> i said, what are you doing? >> nbc news has not confirmed these woman's allegation. >> mr. cain said, you want a job, right? >> i need to stress nbc news has not independently confirmed this. >> i for one am disgusted. >> don't even go there. >> can i ask my question? >> no. >> cain is still raking in the campaign cash. >> he's the front-runner. >> his supporters are basically saying, you know, thumbing their nose at the media. >> please send him the journalistic code of ethics. >> the cain train, it just keeps going around that track. >> lots and lots of republicans say this is not a big deal. >> i don't get your party. i just don't get them. i don't get them. >> none of his primary opponents have attacked him over it. >> a feel-good candidate for the tea party. >> herman cain should have been
a joke long ago. >> if she cuts a sympathetic cloth, it's going to be a very, very tough haul for him. >> i want to understand america and i want to understand the republican party. >> they're not mad dog behind any one candidate. >> everything's gotten attention except mitt romney's record. >> he's touching women but it's better than romney. >> if cain combusts and romney remains romney, who will be the go-to republican in. >> if you don't run chris christie, romney will be the nominee on the loose. in an nbc news/"wall street journal" poll released tonight, herman cain continues to hold his front-runner status, this time in a tie with mitt romney. cain's 27% of the vote is exactly what he had in this poll a month ago. the poll is taken after sexual allegations against cain emerged last week. the poll asks republican primary
voters, how much concern, if any, do you have about voting for herman cain based on these allegations? 54% of republicans say they are not concerned at all. 15% say just a little. 5% say quite a bit. and 8% say a great deal. but that poll was taken before cain's newest accuser stepped to the microphone today in new york. the accuser, sharon bialek, is a registered republican and was employed by the national restaurant association in chicago. bialek claims that during that time, she spoke with cain on several occasions. she was fired from her job, a firing she considered unfair, she says she contacted cain for help finding another job. bialek traveled to washington and met with cain who took her out to dinner, assured her he would consider helping her or look in to helping her find a job, then told bialek he wanted to show her the location of the national restaurant association
offices in washington. >> he parked the car down the block. i thought that we were going to go into the offices so he could show me around. at that time, i had on a black pleated skirt, a suit jacket and a blouse. he had on a suit with his shirt open. but instead of going into the offices, he suddenly reached over and he put his hand on my leg, under my skirt and reached for my genitals. he also grabbed my head and brought it toward his crotch. i was very, very surprised and very shocked. i said, what are you doing? you know i have a boyfriend. this isn't what i came here for. mr. cain said, you want a job, right? i asked him to stop and he did. i asked him to take me back to my hotel, which he did. >> about a month ago, bialek
claims she approached herman cain at a tea party conference in chicago. >> i went up to him and asked him, do you remember me? i guess i wanted to see if he was going to be man enough to own up to what he had done some 14 years ago. he acknowledged that he remembered me from the foundation but he kind of looked uncomfortable. and he said nothing as he was whisked away for his speech by his handlers. >> nbc news has not independently confirmed bialek's allegations. the cain campaign issued a statement after the press conference which read in part "all allegations of harassment against mr. cain are completely false. mr. cain has never harassed anyone. fortunately the american people will not allow mr. cain's bold 9-9-9 plan clear foreign policy vision and plans for energy independence to be overshadowed by these bogus attacks." joining me now, joel bennett, the attorney for one of the women who has accused herman
cain of sexual harassment. thanks for joining me tonight, mr. bennett. >> you're welcome, lawrence. >> mr. bennett, have you had any contact with sharon bialek? >> i had contact with a woman named sharon in chicago the last five days. i don't know if it's the same sharon because i never got her last name. the sharon i had contact with left a voicemail in my office one night indicating she had been harassed by herman cain while he was with the national restaurant association. when i called her back the next day, she said she had decided not to pursue it further. i then called her again yesterday to advise her that she could give her information confidentially if she wanted to. she said she'd think about it and let me know. i have not heard from her since then. it may be the same woman who spoke out today.
>> so you did have conversations with her on the phone only with the first name sharon and you heard her voice in this press conference today. does it sound like the same person? >> i really couldn't tell, lawrence. i'm sorry. >> okay. what do you think what miss bialek revealed today, how do you think it fits in the story as we currently know it about herman cain and these kinds of allegations? >> her allegations are similar to the incidents that my client suffered, not exactly the same, but similar, and to me it shows a pattern and it would be interesting to know what the other two women suffered, but his statements that he never engaged in sexual harassment clearly are false. >> well, this statement today indicated there was contact with sexual intent. the use of his hands in both of the descriptions of the use of both of his hands is very clear
physical contact with sexual intent. are you saying that your client experienced that same thing? >> my client decided that she would not specify the incidents that she suffered in 1999. they were multiple, over multiple days and i'm not authorized to give further information other than the fact that they were incidents of sexual harassment. >> and you've seen already today rush limbaugh coming out making some really vicious attacks on this woman who emerged today. is that the kind of thing the limbaugh reaction, is that the kind of thing that your client had in mind by making her situation as publicly known as she could without revealing her identity? >> that's certainly a possibility. she and i have never discussed mr. limbaugh specifically, but i can tell you since i became her spokesperson in the last few days, i've been subjected to
very nasty e-mails and one obscene phone call. >> attorney joel bennett. thanks for joining us tonight. >> thank you. >> joining me now, msnbc analyst steve schmidt, former add vier to the mccain/palin campaign and senior strategist in the bush/cheney '04 presidential campaign. thanks for joining me tonight, steve. >> great to be with you, lawrence. >> steve, for the republican politics of this, i want you to listen to what rush limbaugh had to say, because he is definitely a vocal factor in republican presidential primaries. i want you to listen to what he had to say today about this new accuser. >> i have been wrong in pronouncing the fourth cain accuser's name as bialek. gloria allred says that her name is pronounced bialek. as in buy a lick. as in buy a lick.
there's no "r" in the name. you can't say it's rent a lick. it's buy a lick. >> steve, what is this doing to republican presidential politics? here is rush limbaugh who has by far the biggest audience of any conservative commentator out there, bigger than the fox news audiences put together and he is talking this way about a woman he knows nothing about. he has no idea how credible she is or how noncredible she is. but he certainly invested in complete credibility in every such person whoever came out and talked anything like that about a democrat. >> i think the hypocrisy of it is clear to people who would be in the middle of the electorate. i think the comments are mean spirited. i don't think they reflect particularly well on him. the reality here is i think we have a check mate. we have on the one hand blanket denials by herman cain. on the other hand, we have
anonymous women. on the other hand, we have a settlement. so there's smoke where there's fire. then we have something coming forward with 15-year-old allegations standing next to gloria allred which frankly in my opinion doesn't help her credibility. and certainly doesn't help her credibility in the eyes of republican primary voters. so i'm not sure where the story goes other than to say i think we live in an entirely new media age where people choose the information they want to be exposed to and at the end of the day, i think a scandal in the mainstream media may not be a disqualifier in the republican primary. it may in fact be a credential. you put that on top of herman cain's obvious unpreparedness for the job of president of the united states, tax plans that don't add up, ignorance of the fact that china is a nuclear power, no comprehension that uzbekistan is an important part of our operations in afghanistan.
this does not bode well for the republican party in an election that republicans should win. and so i think that there's a lot of disturbing aspects to this. >> and is there -- is there something disturbing in republican inconsistency here? i want to read you something from bill bennett, because it strikes me from the outside of republican world that this is the kind of thing that will eventually start to sink in in republican minds. bill bennett, obviously a very strongly credentialed conservative, the former secretary of education, under president george h.w. bush. he said today "if herman cain cannot stand up to these charges, if he refuses to, then he should step out of the race. a man big enough to run for president should be big enough to have a full and candid press conference on all of this. he wants us to elect him president, after all. he's asking us to trust our lives and the country's life to him." and steve, he added in that statement, a point about the
hypocrisy of people who attacked bill clinton over this sort of thing and are defending herman cain over this same sort of thing. >> well, i agree completely. i think fundamentally that's what the story's about. i think millions of americans will see it that way. it's a story of rank hypocrisy. you know, and the fact of the matter is, what herman cain ought to do is ought to stand up, he ought to answer every question until the reporters are done asking questions. he ought to demand that the national restaurant association release the study, release the report, redact the women's names from it. he should demand the national restaurant association release all the information they have on this matter to see if his assertions are credible or not. certainly on the one hand, i think you want to be very careful when accusations are made that there's a rush to judgment, that there is, you know, a rush to proclaim him
guilty, where, you know, we live in a highly politically charged time. on the other hand, where there's smoke there's fire. he ought to make that information available and he ought to answer questions. >> and steve, on bill o'reilly's show tonight, herman cain once again threw out the possibility, the idea that some other republican campaign started this whole story which i think is all the more of a problem for the republican field having that kind of mud thrown around. steve schmidt, thank you very much for joining me tonight. >> you bet. republican voters just don't trust mitt romney and for very good reason. a woman who was in the room when romney vowed to protect abortion rights and protect roe v. wade will join me for an exclusive interview. and in another last word exclusive, before we start counting the votes in the 2012
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republican presidential candidate rick perry came under fire for giving a bizarre animated speech in new hampshire leading some to speculate he may have been drunk or on medication. here to defend himself, governor rick perry. >> okay. right before the speech, herman cain shows up with a godfather's pizza. >> you're saying herman cain drugged you and now you can't remember anything? >> well, you know, i remember one thing. right after herman gave me the pizza, he leaned in and whispered, i touched all those ladies' boobies.
do you fund planned parenthood at the national level? >> that's on my list. that's on my list. i should have mentioned that. >> defunding planned parenthood was not on mitt's list when running for office in mths and massachusetts and republicans know it. he's been unable to move up in the polls, while his chief rival is struggling through a sexual harassment scandal. joining me now for an exclusive interview on the evolution of mitt romney, melissa, the former executive director of the national abortion rights action league pro choice massachusetts. thanks for joining me tonight, melissa. >> good to be here. >> melissa, you were kind of dragged into the spotlight last
week when the "washington post" identified you as being part of a 45-minute meeting with mitt romney and the pro choice massachusetts group in 2002 where romney promised he would be a good voice for the party. meaning the republican party on for your cause. and his moderation on the issue he said would be widely written about. could you tell us about that meeting and how convincing mitt romney was in his pro choice position? >> sure. you know, we met with mitt romney. he was very interested in meeting with us during the campaign for governor. we sat with him and had follow-up questions about the questionnaire which were really surprisingly good. and what was most striking about this meeting was really at the end when he was emphatic about how we needed somebody like mitt romney in washington to advocate
for us on this issue. and he sort of went on about it for a while and said he would be a good voice for choice and that the issue was killing the republican party and he wanted to be an influence. >> well, he sounds right about all those things. now, he, you were -- it was a group of you and you were taking notes. he knew you were taking notes at this meeting, didn't me? uh-huh. yeah. >> does the organization or you still have the notes from that meeting. >> oh, yeah, the notes, we have the notes. i brought them with me. they were very detailed. and had a lot of quotes in there. and quite specific about the conversation. >> did any of you ask him how he thought he might be able to make it to a career that would take him to washington with a pro choice position in the republican party? >> you know, he didn't
elaborate, but he was running for governor in the state of massachusetts where it was conventional wisdom that you had to be pro choice to win. he wanted us to know that he would preserve and protect the right to choose in massachusetts. he made that statement several times. and he was already thinking about washington as well. i don't know what his plan was to get to the place where he could be a pro choice candidate in the republican party, but he certainly said that that was the -- he inferred that in his comment when he said he wanted to be a voice for choice, a good voice in the party. >> now, i know in some of his public comments back in that year, he actually mentioned his mother when he talked about being pro choice, that he had followed her guidance into that position. did he mention that with you? >> i don't know if he mentioned that in the meeting. i certainly have heard him say
it publicly on a number of occasions. he may have mentioned it, it's hard to remember where i heard it. it's not -- i don't think it was in our notes. >> it must be hard for you to believe that any of this is in controversy at this point because it was so public at the time in massachusetts. we could roll endless videotape here of him in debates and at other points talking about his pro choice position. >> absolutely. you know, we here in massachusetts know mitt romney best. those of us who were working hard to, on various issues of importance to us in the state. and i think it's important for constituents and people around the country just to really understand how emphatic he was when he met with us about his position. he said he didn't want to be called pro choice or pro life. he said he didn't -- he would not overturn roe v. wade. he didn't think it was a good idea. i mean, he proactively offered a lot of these comments to kind of be specific about his position
and it was so soon after he got elected that, you know, he voted to -- he vetoed an emergency contraception bill here in the state very soon after he got elected. and he completely changed his tune. so, i think that's an important fact to know about. >> melissa kogut, i'm glad you held on to the notes. thank you very much for joining us tonight. >> thank you. up next, white house press secretary jay carney joins me in an exclusive interview to discuss the 2012 race and president obama's agenda. and the crazy right wing family research council gives an award to deadbeat dad congressman joe walsh for being such a great family man. and that, of course, gets joe walsh back in tonight's rewrite.
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mitt is it. >> at this hour, on this day, exactly one year from now, we will be counting the votes in the presidential election on november 7th, 2012. a just released nbc news analysis shows that the election is probably going to be very, very close. there are now only 11 states that don't poll solidly democratic or republican or are considered to be leaning democratic or republican. the 11 battleground states as of now are colorado, florida, iowa, michigan, nevada, new mexico, north carolina, ohio, pennsylvania, virginia and wisconsin, a total of 147 electoral votes. all 11 of those states were won by barack obama in 2008. the new nbc news/"wall street journal" poll finds only 44% approve and 51% disapprove of the job president obama is doing. and possibly the most dangerous
number in the poll for the president, 73% of people think the country is on the wrong track. but as soon as you name an opponent to the president, his re-election chances look much, much better. in the poll, president obama beats mitt romney 49% to 43%. if by some miracle the president was lucky enough to face herman cain, we would see an obama landslide with a 15-point win. and the fast fading rick perry has sunk so low in the polls that the nbc poll did not bother to ask the question on how perry would fair in a one-on-one against the president. joining me now for an exclusive interview, white house press secretary jay carney. thanks for joining me tonight, jay. >> thanks for having me, lawrence. >> jay, as you see in the poll, the numbers look very good for the president when you match him up against a likely republican. as of tonight, i think we would
all have to bet the most likely republican is mitt romney. will you be able to campaign against mitt romney the way the republicans have been basically finding fault with his former life as a liberal? >> well, lawrence, what i can tell you is with regards to mr. romney or any of the other potential republican nominees, the only thing we're really focused on when we look at that is the fact that their economic ideas are all very similar, not just to each other, but to the ideas that got us into the mess that this president has been trying to get us out of for these last few years. i mean, there's no question that we had a lot of work to and americans are justifiably frustrated with the fact the economy is not growing fast enough, jobs aren't being created in substantial enough numbers. but one thing we know for sure is americans, i think, by in large, and in substantial majorities, don't believe we ought to go back to the very same policies that caused the
great recession. that almost became the second great depression. and which this president has been digging us out of for the last almost three years. >> jay, to that point, the 73% who say the country is on the wrong track, will the presidential campaign essentially be a struggle over who got us on that wrong track? >> well, no, i think -- i think the american people still, if you look at the data, understand that the crisis that was here when the president took office wasn't created overnight and it certainly won't be resolved overnight. what i think most americans want to know is, where are you taking us? where do you think this country needs to go? and the president feels very strongly that his ideas about the need to grow the economy in the near term, create jobs in the near term are the right ones and they're the ones the american people broadly support. his ideas about how to get our long-term economic foundation in
a solid state are also representative of sort of the broad american consensus about how we do that. in a balanced way. so that in order to get our fiscal house in order, we're not asking seniors or vulnerable americans to bear all the burden while giving the wealthiest americans, for example, an added tax cut. he doesn't believe that's the approach the american people want and certainly not his approach. so it's a combination both of how people assess why we are where we are, but also where we're going and who has the best ideas about where we should go. >> jay, all of washington have their eyes on the supercommittee, their deliberations have to be wrapped up fairly soon in order to deliver something on schedule, some sort of long term deficit reduction program on schedule. there have been predictions the supercommittee will fail if they won't come to an agreement. some democratic senators have made that prediction. i want you to listen to what george wills said about the
supercommittee yesterday. >> the president needs this committee to fail. he's already decided to run against what he calls the republican congress, while he was lecturing in constitutional law, he missed that part of the article 1 that says there's a senate also and the democrats control that and as boehner said, they're holding up a lot of legislation. if he's going to run against a do-nothing congress, it has to do nothing. >> jay, is it better for the president if the supercommittee fails? >> i think what george wills said, and i have no specific beef with george, but it's just nonsense. the fact of the matter is nothing would delight this president more than the opportunity, or rather the -- congress deprived him of the opportunity to run against a do-nothing congress by actually doing something on jobs and the economy. i mean, he would -- if this congress, which, yes, is controlled by the republicans in the house, and which republicans
have enough senators in the senate to prevent anything from happening, yes, if the republicans in congress decided to pass the american jobs act tomorrow, he would sign it and gladly relinquish the opportunity to run against congress' disfunctionality and inaction. he would be gladly willing to praise the congress if they took his proposals for medium and long-term deficit and debt reduction, this proposals to do it in a balanced way that asks everyone to bear the burden and doesn't protect millionaires and billionaires at the expense of senior citizens. if congress acted on that, he would welcome that tomorrow, next week or next month. his interest is in get things done for the american people. frankly, that's good policy which is the most important thing. it's also good politics. >> jay, there's some good news for the president in the "washington post"/abc news poll which asked, who is responsible for inaction on the economy? 50% said president obama is
making a good faith effort to deal with the country's economic problems, but the republicans in congress are playing politics by blocking his proposals and programs. and then 44% said president obama has not provided the leadership necessary on the economy. so in that one poll reading, the president is certainly winning the perception game as the guy who's really trying to get something done. >> well, look, i think overall the fact that americans are frustrated with the state of the economy and with the pace of job creation is wholly understandable and reflected in the data. but i think it's also the case reflected in what you just cited that americans understand that the president is putting forward ideas and proposals that they support that they think makes sense and they know when they've looked into it or heard enough about it, are paid for and for in a way they support which is with regard to the american jobs act asking millionaires and billionaires to pay a little extra so that we can get this economy back on track and
growing jobs. so i think that's what that specific citation reflects and i think, you know, americans understand when their number one priority, i think in that same poll, is overwhelmingly jobs and the economy, they understand that congress is not actually acting on the things they care about. last week we had congress passing a measure, you know, the house of representatives led by republicans focusing on the important work of passing a resolution to allow for special coins celebrating baseball hall of fame members. now, that's fine, i'm a huge baseball fan, but it's certainly not a high priority for the american people. >> jay, here you are a year away from re-election voting, and the voters in the nbc news/"wall street journal" poll said their number one concerns and worries are health care and jobs. the health care with 33%. jobs at 32%.
this after the president campaigned on health care reform, actually got health care reform legislated, but during his first term the uninsured in this country have actually increased and health care has remained a number one worry for the american people. even at this stage in president obama's term. does that surprise you? >> well, it doesn't surprise me that health care is a preeminent concern for the american people because it's such an important part of their lives. what we know is that the affordable care act, which the president fought for and passed into law, has already created a lot of benefits for the american people. but much of what it will do happens in the next several years as the exchanges are created and more and more people are brought on to the insurance rolls. what i'm sure most americans don't want is rescinding of the affordable care act which would prevent the possibility of an additional 30 million americans getting on, getting health insurance. and would also jack up our deficits substantially because
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obsessed tv watchers who were ready to pounce whenever some of our greatest tv shows revealed too much cleavage or acknowledged sexuality in any way. they're among the sex police who have attacked some of our greatest tv shows, which because they are on commercial television, are actually all rather tame. "nypd blue," "e.r.," "glee" and got bent out of shape over this moment at the super bowl seven years ago. last week a federal appeals court laughed off a $550,000 fine issued to cbs by the fcc by the super bowl halftime show. yet another defeat for the sex police. the family research council raises its money through tax deductible contributions from sexually obsessed people who love hearing the organization's president tony perkins talk about his personal obsession with gay sex. >> at its base, what terrorism
is, it's a strike against the general populace, simply to spread fear and intimidation so that they can just kind of disrupt and destabilize the system of government. that's what the homosexuals are doing here to the legal system. this has significant ramifications for our system of law and justice here in this country. >> perkins must mean these homosexuals, since they're the only ones whose decisions have the most as perkins put it, significant ramifications for our system of law and justice. but for some reason, in an uncharacteristic moment of timidity, tony perkins did not mention these nine homosexuals by name. there's peter sprig whose business card calls him the family research council's senior fellow for policy studies. he is obsessed with gay soldier sex. here is mr. sprig talking about
sex on tv in the only way the family research council finds acceptable. >> soldiers are put in a positions of forced intimacy all the time. they shower together, they sleep together in the barracks and it's simply unfair to put soldiers in a position of forced cohabitation with those who may be viewing them as a sexual object. that is a formula guaranteed to lead to greater sexual tensions, sexual harassment and sexual assault. >> wow. how fast would peter sprig be joining up if he were still young enough? >> they shower together. they sleep together in the barracks. that is a formula guaranteed to lead to greater sexual tensions. >> peter sprig, like all of the current crop of conservative commentators, has absolutely no personal experience with the military because even though he obviously would have loved showering together and sleeping
together with the men on the barracks, he, like all of today's most prominent conservative men, didn't have the courage to do what soldiers have to do when they're not showering together and sleeping together. if you suspect that peter sprig had trouble keeping a straight face while talking about showering together and sleeping together with men, in fact, if you suspect that the family research council really is a big joke, i mean, a joke that they're in on, a joke that tony perkins and peter sprig and everyone else working at the family research council gets in the same way that you do, they have now in effect publicly announced that, yes, this whole family research council thing is a complete joke. they chose to do that at the end of last week by giving an award to the most famous deadbeat dad in america. congressman joe walsh. you remember him.
he's the guy who said this -- >> i won't place one more dollar of debt upon the backs of my kids and grandkids unless we structurally reform the way this town spends money. >> tea party congressman joe walsh said that while owing $117,437 in child support to the first mrs. walsh. joe walsh still owes every penny of that past due child support. his failure to meet the most minimal standard of fatherhood by fulfilling his child support obligation got him banned from this show as soon as i discovered it. he had done a couple of appearances here, but i will not allow him back unless he pays his child support. joe walsh's failure as a father has gotten much for media attention than the mere mention by me on this show. it is impossible for the family research council to know nothing
about his failure to pay child support. but still, the family research council gave him an award for, "unwavering support of the family." now, that is funny. it is funny -- it's beyond funny. it's like the kind of funny where you can't even laugh. you just stare at it in awe. awe of the audacity of the joke. unwavering support of the family, but no support of the walsh family? it's amazing. it is beyond -- obviously tony perkins and the sex police have just gotten wicked bored at losing every battle they pretend to fight with the tv networks and now they've just decided if you can't beat them, join them. and they're just going into entertainment, themselves, starting with comedy. pretty soon, they'll be singing, they'll be running dance contests. they obviously just want to have fun now.
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the breaking news tonight from the herman cain campaign, he's having a news conference tomorrow afternoon to address the harassment allegations against him after saying he was never going to talk about it again. but that's not the only big problem for the cain campaign. on friday, citizens for responsibility and ethics in washington filed a complaint with the federal election commission against herman cain's presidential campaign. today, the center for media and democracy in madison, wisconsin, filed a similar complaint to the internal revenue service this time, concerning at least $40,000 they believe was illegally used to start the cain presidential campaign.
joining me now, lisa graves, executive director of the center for media and democracy, which filed today's complaint. thanks for joining me tonight, lisa. >> thanks for having us on. >> lisa, what is the tax component, the irs component of this money that went into the herman cain campaign to get it started? >> well, tax law bars charities like prosperity usa which was founded by mark block, last year, from spending their money to help campaigns. basically to be a bank or a credit card for political campaign like mr. cain's. and so there are significant consequences. the charity could be shut down. there are could be sanctions. we've asked for both. >> this was a koch brothers funded group, americans for prosperity, that seemed to put in about $40,000 to the campaign. there was also another $100,000 in here somewhere that they came up with that they gave to a group to have mr. cain go and speak there. so there's a big flow of money
that as we've already talked about on this show could be in violation of the federal election law, but the irs is the one that has the guys with the real badges that can cause you a lot of trouble if you cross their lines, right? >> that's right. we think the irs should take a very close look at the porous boundaries between the herman cain campaign, between block's americans for prosperity network as well as its prosperity usa, prosperity 101, wisconsin prosperity network. you name a prosperity group, he's founded it in wisconsin the last couple years. it's like whack a mole with the prosperity name. the fact is if they gave $100,000 in advance of mr. cain's appearance there, that would be more than the congress racial equality reported to the irs in 2009 of having received. it's a huge sum. there's a lot of money flowing back and forth. it's murky. who gave block's group, prosperity usa a big, huge loan?
how was the money spent? why were they buying private jets for the cain campaign? >> these would all be great questions to ask at his press conference tomorrow but i suspect he's going to be drowned by the sexual harassment questions. this is the bigger scandal. this is the one that can follow him long after the campaign. the fec's notoriously slow, but they could be asking him questions under oath long after the campaign's over. as could the irs. >> the fact is that mr. block, himself, has really been orchestrating a number of these various groups and i think that there's a lot of scrutiny brought to bear on what he's been doing and how these different levers through these various prosperity groups are being pushed to promote the candidate and also the for-profit group, prosperity 101 which had mr. cain on the payroll. how does that relate to this group? it was basically founded by that group.